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[livejournal.com profile] oursin has a thread running on categories of book we avoid so I thought I'd start one on things we read as 'guilty pleasures'. I guess I define this as stuff we ;like but know is in some sense trashy or less than reputable. Maybe the sort of thing we wouldn't want to admit to our English lit teacher that we read.

Actually this isn't a big part of my reading but there are a few things that wouldn't win me points for intellectual purity. I guess the two main categories for me would be "bawdy romps"; think Flashman and Kathy Lettke, and books about military hardware. Bonking, complicated undergarments and armoured vehicles, what can I say.

Date: 2006-06-18 09:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dyddgu.livejournal.com
George Macdonald Fraser and Georgette Heyer...

Date: 2006-06-18 09:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dyddgu.livejournal.com
And also Amy Tan.

Date: 2006-06-18 09:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frankie-ecap.livejournal.com
My head has now confused complicated undergarments and armoured vehicles in a somewhat peculiar way.

I've worked for fifteen years not to feel guilty about what I read, and I've more or less pulled it off in the way of fiction.

But I have a new guilty pleasure: The Times. I know that sounds affected beyond words, but it's really true. On the one hand, they have Melanie Phillips writing guest articles and I can't bear it. On the other hand, they have killer sudoku and there is no better non-Araucaria crossword. So I'm conflicted.

Date: 2006-06-18 09:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chickenfeet2003.livejournal.com
Affected? When I tire of reading Homer in the original I occasionally allow myself the luxury of the Times Crossword.

Date: 2006-06-20 09:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] f4f3.livejournal.com
Pretentious? Moi?

Date: 2006-06-18 09:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] gillo
OK, this English teacher has a host of guilty pleasures, from fanfic - mostly Buffy based - to Georgette Heyer (actually a very talented writer) to historical fiction including mysteries - though I do draw the line at Candace Robb, and I find David Wishart less than compelling.

My husband's the "pure" SF-buff, and in his eyes my liking for Lois McMaster Bujold ought to be guilty - he's never read any, just dislikes the pulpy illustrations on teh covers. And Anne McCaffrey's way below his horizon.

Date: 2006-06-19 12:50 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] shezan.livejournal.com
Yayyy! Two Georgette Heyer fans already! Add me to the group!

Date: 2006-06-18 09:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] knirirr.livejournal.com
There can be no guiltier reading pleasure than this (http://www.usveterans.com/books/Fantasy/Lost_Regiment.html).
The second book is amusing in that it manages to contrive a naval battle with the following sides:
The heroes:
US civil war union ironclads, assisted by Roman galleys manned by medieaval Russian marines equipped with flintlock muskets.
The villains:
Traitor US civil war union ironclads built in the confederate style, assisted by Carthaginian galleys and with alien advisors/controllers secretly hidden on the flagship.

Date: 2006-06-18 09:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chickenfeet2003.livejournal.com
My brain has exploded

Date: 2006-06-18 10:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bopeepsheep.livejournal.com
I have a soft spot for Georgette Heyer/Philippa Gregory/Margaret Irwin (historical romances); and 'bonkbusters' (think Olivia Goldsmith/Penny Vincenzi/Danielle Steel, books that are thick enough to use as stepstools but take no time to romp through). The first group has many redeeming features but often boils down to just bonkbusters in better costumes; the latter has no literary merit whatsoever but is great for switching your brain off and disappearing into fantasy worlds. Kathy Lette seems quite dry and academic by comparison with the ones I'm thinking of here.

I avoid books by people like Wilbur Smith or Robert Ludlum, and any that look like they might be in that kind of mould - probably unfairly, since I've only read one Ludlum and it wasn't absolutely dreadful (The Bourne Identity), but life is too short to bother finding out that I'm missing out, IMO.

Flashman

Date: 2006-06-19 12:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fearsclave.livejournal.com
I discovered the Flashman Papers thanks to a buddy who was serving in the Royal Montreal Regiment at the time. He claimed that Flashman was the epitome of military virtue and the thing to do in any given military situation is simply to ask oneself "what would Flashy do?" and then do it.

Re: Flashman

Date: 2006-06-19 09:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chickenfeet2003.livejournal.com
Thank Heaven he's only in the militia

Re: Flashman

Date: 2006-06-20 09:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] f4f3.livejournal.com
I think that would make an excellent bumper sticker...

Re: Flashman

Date: 2006-06-20 10:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] f4f3.livejournal.com
Actually I just spent a moment thinking of what a battlefield full of Flashmans would look like, and have had a good chuckle at the idea of an empty field of muddy tracks heading away from the front, littered here and there with dropped loot and ripped bodices.

Better than Flanders Field, I must say.

Re: Flashman

Date: 2006-06-20 10:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chickenfeet2003.livejournal.com
Rather like something out of Michael Moorcock

Date: 2006-06-19 09:05 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] oursin.livejournal.com
I can't think of any reading guilty pleasures (okay, I'd be a bit ashamed to admit to some of the s&f bonkbusters I read in the 80s perhaps). What makes me feel soiled is reading something that ought to be a delicious slightly frivolous pleasure and it's not: this is like ordering a sinfully rich dessert that isn't up to scratch.

And I particularly wouldn't consider Flashman a guilty pleasure: it's too well-researched without being bogged down. Though this makes me realise that though there are novels that take existing fictional characters and riff on them that I love, I am also quite leary of this subgenre, because there are some real duds out there.

Date: 2006-06-19 05:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rhythmaning.livejournal.com
Well, [livejournal.com profile] frankie_ecap told me the other day that most of the stuff that I pick up from my wife's book pile is chick-lit, but I find it entertaining.

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